It seems this humble blogger has become very popular with her "Florida congresswoman stands up to CAIR" post. "CAIR watch - Keeping an eye on hate" has linked my post on their web site, Americansagainstthehate.org From what I can tell, this site is actively watching the islamic movement in this country. From CAIR to the pointing out the anti-America, anti-Israel bias in the media, the site is a wealth of information on the muslims in America. It's worth checking out.
I've also been linked to a Canadian bloggers site, The Black Kettle. He's an Evangelical Christian who supports the war on terror and his Canadian troops. I scanned it and seems like a good site. He mostly comments on islamic terror and the hold they're trying to take on our culture and values. Also worth checking out.
I must say up front. This in no way has inflated my ego. I will continue to report and opine on the enemy among us. As long as the "whine-o-grams" keep coming, I'll continue to do the dirty work so all of us can be informed.
Tuesday, November 14, 2006
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Honestly Janice, the 'CAIR hates America and wants to sup upon the flesh of kittens and ponies' sentiment is a little bit of bullshit. I've recently subscribed to their whin-o-grams, and I gotta tell you... the only whining I'm hearing is from people like you. Seriously.
Not that I need to remind you, since you read them all, but the last email that I got included a story about a Christian minister whose active role in the Islamic community has helped to bridge the divide. The HORROR!! How DARE these people have the GALL to co-operate with leaders of other faiths. It's practically terrorism.
The email goes on to defend themselves against some cranky woman who called an entire religion 'frightening,' and saying that all Muslims are 'barbarians.' Now, this isn't where I take exception. I don't care what this woman thinks, or that you agree with her, but it smacks of hypocrisy when you, Janice, criticise these people for defending themselves against bigoted morons like that. You claim to not have anything against Muslims, just the jihadists, but there's nothing about your statements concerning Muslims that suggests otherwise.
I'm so glad that I signed up for their regular 'whine-o-gram,' as you so tastefully put it, because I can now see how very thin your arguments are.
Jacob, I'm glad you too have signed up for the daily email. If you where so inclined to look further, you have noticed the woman who called muslims barbarians was the person FLA. congresswoman Brown-Waite was defending against CAIR. Did you read the letter she sent "bully boy" Bedier? I suggest you do so before commenting on the "whine-o-gram" story. As you can see from the emails, you have to link to the news story to get the "whole" story.
Bottom line is, CAIR is a terror front group who, by their own words, support terror and wants to impliment sharia law in place of the American constitution. I suggest you check anti-cair's web site for the entire low down on the founders of this "muslim civil rights group," they're only objective is to destroy this nation by using our laws and rights against us.
Skirt the issue again, Janice. We missed it the first time.
I've missed nothing nor have I skirted the issue.
I've addressed your issue. Because I didn't post on the "bridges of faith" I shouldn't post or question anything CAIR puts in their whine-o-gram? Just wait, you'll see how they whine.
Come on Jacob, I just pulled up the latest email. Did you read about all the whininng?
A bank shuts down muslim charity accounts. And at least 3 more about the Brown-Waite issue on the Hogans. You have to agree, it's whining.
Nice one Janice...POW! BANG! BOOM! ZOWIE! Take that Jacob!!!
I have to agree with Janice on this one.
Jacob, you always seem to be on the appeasement end of things. The benefit of doubt ALWAYS goes to the muslims and jihadist, but the American people are ALWAYS in the wrong. Why is that? Can't Americans stand up to muslims who want to change 200 hundreds years of values and culture because 2% of the population wants them to? I don't think so. We will fight.
Free speech comes with consequences, not imprisonment or fear of torture. We are free to think islam is evil and a false religion. We're even free to teach that's a false religion. I can't say it's a faith because it's a religion of works and deeds, not faith. Don't you think muslims think the same thing about Jews and Christian? Why are we the only ones being persicuited? Because the MSM focuses on demonizing Jews and Christians?
Maybe....
Anonymous,
It's extremely hard to take people seriously when they're hiding under the cloak of anonymity.
But then again, I probably wouldn't want to give myself a name if I said stupid things like 'zowie.'
Jihadi,
Actually, the above applies to you as well JT. I remember a while back you told me not to presume anything about you, after I made reference to you as 'he.' Not sure if you actually are a man but were just trying to, I dunno, score a lame point, but whatever.
In any case, it might help to give those you spar with some point of reference so that I don't have that little voice in the back of my head that says 'JT is a troll.'
Now, after all that, I'll address your points.
Jacob, you always seem to be on the appeasement end of things.
Exactly who am I trying to appease?
Muslims?
No. They're fundies just like you, only they're more up front with their warfare.
(They go and blow themselves up like idiots, as opposed to Americans who vote in governments that send off other people's kids to war)
It only seems like I'm trying to appease Muslims because I think that they should be treated exactly as all law-abiding tax paying civil citizens should. It is my belief that most Muslims (American or otherwise) fall into those categories.
The benefit of doubt ALWAYS goes to the muslims and jihadist, but the American people are ALWAYS in the wrong.
Well, Americans usually are pretty rash, and they do make some pretty stupid decisions sometimes (just look at your President), but I wouldn't go so far as to say that they're always wrong.
That said, I don't really appreciate the insinuation that I like 'muslims and jihadis' just because I'm critical of the US. You must remember, JT, that lots of people are critical of the US, and at the same time they aren't all howling barbaric jihadi dipshits.
That kind of view is too black and white to be applied to real life situations. It implies that one side of the argument is always in the wrong and the other is always in the right, when this is very rarely the case. Only small children think in terms of black and white absolutes; small children whose world needs to be dumbed down to their level of understand in order for it to make sense to them. I would hope that your level of understanding is not so black and white, JT.
Can't Americans stand up to muslims who want to change 200 hundreds years of values and culture because 2% of the population wants them to?
Where are these studies?
Are you saying that all Muslims want America to become an Islamic state?
Even though I think that analysis is completely false and, again, denotative of the abovementioned infant view of the world, how is it any different to Christians who want their religious beliefs and practices to be law? This is exactly the same thing.
Free speech comes with consequences, not imprisonment or fear of torture.
I'm confused.
"Free speech comes with consequences"
What consequences?
And besides, I never said anything about locking people up or torturing people. So... yeeeah. Just a little FYI to keep you on track.
We are free to think islam is evil and a false religion.
And so do I. The only difference is, I think ALL religions are false, evil, and an insult to human dignity. Your one god is just a skip away from my zero gods.
We're even free to teach that's a false religion.
Free to teach that it's a false religion. Let me think about that. Well, yeah, I suppose if you wanted to shut people's minds off in order to produce more boring Christians. That's okay. Wouldn't it be better to let kids decide for themselves, though? I did.
I can't say it's a faith because it's a religion of works and deeds, not faith.
Christian semantics. I don't care for it.
What is the difference? All religious people have faith in the supernatural. And this irrational belief determines, to some extent, their actions (ie. deeds).
Don't you think muslims think the same thing about Jews and Christian?
Well, not being a Muslim myself I'm probably not the best person to say who Muslims hate and who they don't. But this is irrelevant, since I'm sure that all Muslims have their own brains, their own prejudices, etc, just like you or me. There is no one set of beliefs held by all Muslims, and... once again we find ourselves in black and white territory.
But, to give my best answer to the question 'what do Muslims think of Jews and Christians,' I would say that they believe much the same that you think of them. Only in reverse.
(Hint: something about burning in the fiery pits of hell. Unless you subscribe to the belief that Allah and God are the same thing, and that all of you get a ticket to heaven, and it's only the godless heathens who get to suffer the eternal wrath of their spiteful God. If you want to believe that belief in Jesus is necessary for God to not throw you into his torture chamber, then your support of the Jewish people is kinda stupid, since they would then also be burned in hell, along with the Muslims and the atheists... and the single mothers, and the homosexuals, and the people who eat shrimp, etc etc)
Why are we the only ones being persicuited? [sic]
Persecuted? Now, that's one of the biggest piles of shit I've ever heard you say JT. And that's saying a lot.
You're not being persecuted. You can freely walk down the street, you can get a job, you can live how you please, believe what you want, vote for whoever you want to represent you. If you want to feel like you're being persecuted, go to Iran or some place.
JT, not being able to persecute others does not mean that you are being persecuted.
Because the MSM focuses on demonizing Jews and Christians?
No. Read the above paragraph if you're in any sort of misunderstanding of what I've outlined already.
Okay... I think that about does it. Sorry about the long and boring rant, which you most likely skipped, but I wasn't going to let you go that easily.
Jacob, I'm only going to address two of your diatribes. And I did read everything.
Number one. Yes I do believe in absolutes or "black and white" as you say. So I guess I am infantile in my thinking. Which leads me to number two.
I don't believe children should decide for themselves. You're a perfect example Jacob. You're educated, articulate, and think you're much too smart to believe in such drivel, right? I believe children need to be taught or given some religious direction. People need to know that their lives have purpose other than just being. How sad is that? We're born only turn to dust? This is all there is, nothing more? No wonder you're so cynical.
Oh well, I guess that's just my absolutist attitude. You win Jacob.
It's much less depressing than 'do everything I tell you or you burn in hell, my child.'
At least it lets me think for myself.
Jacob, I hope you come to understand the things you were taught as a child are much more than a "do this or else" lesson. The commandments are the foundation of governing laws and the moral compass of man. Where did your conscience come from? How was it developed? Cartoons? Government? It came from God. He set in your heart His commandments, the knowledge of right and wrong.
You know that feeling you get when you've done something wrong, and you know it's wrong. That's God working in your heart and in your head.
If I'm wrong, explain to me why.
*buries head in hands*
Or, you know, it could be the voice of the Magical Pixe Lady.
Or the FSM.
Or Allah.
Or any other rubbish you want to delude yourself with.
Damn JT, that was too easy.
Something challenging, next time please.
You know what Jacob? I have a hunch that once you look into the eyes of your first born child, you'll come to believe.
Cause Jacob, sometimes a banana is just a banana!
Um, okay.
When I see my baby it will make me a Christian. Perhaps the baby has magical powers, and can telepathically tell me to convert.
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Let's think about that.
Lots of people have babies, and not all of them then go on to become Christian. If your theory were true, then all people who have babies should be Christian. Since most of the world isn't Christian, and most of the world's people reproduce, your theory not only is wrong but it misses the point by several thousand miles.
Also, the bananas comment might have made sense in your microcosm of an existence, but you'll have to be less vague than that in the future.
Your arguments are getting worse.
Next.
No, you twit, you've already learned about God, and you choose not to believe. I believe there's something inside nudging doubt. I think you want to believe, but it's more entertaining to act like an agnostic.
When you grow up, you'll come back from the dark side and join the family of believers.
Argumentum ad hominem: literally translated as 'argument against the person.' It is not considered a valid debate technique.
Just something to remember, JT.
No, you twit, you've already learned about God, and you choose not to believe.
You know what? I wouldn't necessarily disagree with this statement. You're right that I've learned about your god. I probably know more about your god and your Bible than most Christians. I was raised as a Christian until I decided that it wasn't for me. I even attend a Catholic school.
So, in this sense, my decision not to believe is not a negative reflection on me, that I'm ignorant of some magical truth or whatever. It just means that I've explored the notion of religion and decided that it's just too ridiculous to devote energy into it.
Maybe it's a good thing that I have the ability to try a diverse range of ideas without necessarily believing everything that I try. That's called having an open mind.
I believe there's something inside nudging doubt.
Uh, no.
I think you want to believe,
No.
but it's more entertaining to act like an agnostic.
Substitute the words 'entertaining' with 'logical' and 'act like an agnostic' with 'be skeptical.' That might have made sense to me.
When you grow up, you'll come back from the dark side and join the family of believers.
Ever watched that episode of Trading Spouses with that Margaret Perrin woman, the insane Christian fundie who went nuts at her own family and demanded that all non-Christians get out of her house?
Well, that's who you remind me of.
DARK SIDED!! THEY'RE NOT CHRISTIAN AAAAGH!!!
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