This prank and CAIRs reaction to it is starting to remind me of a child's temper tantrum. CAIR was joined by "other" muslim activist groups calling on Pace University to crack down on hate crimes after a second copy of the koran was found in a toilet at its campus. The whine-o-gram goes on to state,
"This incident meets the legal definition of a hate crime, "said Aliya Latif, a member of the Association of Muslim American Lawyers. "Indeed, this is no different from placing a burning cross in front of a house or painting a swastika on a locker."
The discovery of the islamic "holy book" in a toilet at Pace's lower Manhattan campus on October 13 was the latest in a series of acts of vandalism tinged with racial or religious overtones at the school. In addition to the korans found in a library toilet on September 21, and in October someone scrawled "racial slurs" (to which CAIR doesn't elaborate) on a student's car at the Westchester County satellite campus and on a bathroom wall. These are the incidents CAIR and AMAL refer to regarding the escalating incidents of "hate" at the university.
This laughable and much ado about nothing. CAIR never attended my high school let alone enter the restrooms. I think American muslims would be better served if CAIR would allow them to thinken their skin, insist on assimilation into American culture and once you leave your homes or mosque become immersed in Americanism.
Saturday, October 21, 2006
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I think American muslims would be better served if CAIR would allow them to thinken their skin, insist on assimilation into American culture and once you leave your homes or mosque become immersed in Americanism.
Excellent assessment of what's needed. Certainly CAIR isn't helping muslims get to that point.
I agree with Skye. If you're here in OUR country you must assimilate to OUR culture. All this (racist) flag waving is getting old.
Grow up, don't let ink on paper rule your life. It's a book, not
G-d it's self.
I believe islam needs to reform or continue to rot in the arm pit (except Israel) of the middle east. Continue to kill each other and stone you women because you see their wrist, ankle or a strand of hair. Men of the religion of peace need to gain some carnal self control.
Seriously, I think you need to lay off the "koran in the toilet" thing. You're blaming the victims of a moderately insulting and religiously motivated act, so there isn't much left to make of it beyond here. Your blog touts itself to be "nuggets of the news the MSM won't report," but a more appropriate title would be "why Islam is the yukkiest thing in America today." At least then you'd be honest. If this is the worst thing happening in your country right now, you should probably consider yourselves lucky.
Nonetheless.
I'm more than a little bit disturbed by the assimilation comment. Surely you don't believe that the solution to this problem is to force minorities to conform. I thought America was a pluralist society, where every law-abiding citizen had the inalienable right to speak, dress, worship and act as they chose.
Assimilation will only succeed in marginalising an already distrusted group of people. It didn't work here in Australia (our 'White Australia' policy included stealing Aboriginal kids from their parents and placing them in white, Christian homes, with disastrous social consequences), and I'm hard pressed to find any reason why it would work in America.
I posted these ‘20 facts of Islam ' round several blogs, inluding this, some time ago, but was asked to justify them. So here they are again, but this time with supporting links.
Some of these topics may prove useful for people trying to get past the taqiyya and dhimmitude to see the true nature of the Beast.
Twenty facts that every infidel should know about Islam:
Islam ...
1) Is a mind-control and information-control cult founded by a murderer, torturer, brigand, rapist and pedophile called Mohammed. The mind-control and information-control aspects require that all criticism be silenced.
- Mind and information control:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/cultorreligion.htm ,
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2004/07/11/do1102.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/07/11/ixhome.html ,
http://www.hvk.org/articles/1102/154.html ,
http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-questions.htm ,
- Mohammed's criminality:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm , http://www.angelfire.com/de/knowledgeoftruth/muhammed.html , http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/playboy.html , http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/libido.html ,
- Mohammed’s pedophilia:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27975,
http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Saifullah/aishahage.htm ,
- Silencing criticism:
http://www.domini.org/openbook/australia200309012.htm ,
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2092-2058502,00.html ,
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/321 ,
2) Is Mohammed's personality cult. Has no foundations other than Mo's murderous rantings (Koran and Hadith). The Koran consists of two conflicting parts - Meccan and Medinan (peaceful and violent respectively). The Medinan stuff supersedes ('abrogates') the Meccan stuff. Muslims act Medinan, but quote Meccan verses to the gullible infidels.
- Mohammed as a cult leader:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina50218.htm ,
http://www.faithfreedom.org/faq/67.htm ,
http://www.humanists.net/alisina/cult_or_religion.htm ,
- Meccan and Medinan verses:
http://jimball.com.au/features/Myth-of-moderate-Islam.htm , http://www.islamreview.com/articles/madinasuras.shtml ,
http://www.aijac.org.au/review/2006/31-10/essay31-10.htm ,
3) Claims to worship the same God as Christians and Jews, but in fact worships Allah - a demonic channelling through Mohammed's psychopathic ego. The Death Cult mixes garbled travesties of Christian and Jewish scriptures with pagan practices such as moon and meteorite-worship, and cut-throat blood sacrifice of animals and non-believers.
- Allah and God:
http://www.family.org/cforum/fosi/islam/faqs/a0029179.cfm , http://www.islamreview.com/articles/nothingincommon.shtml ,
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Silas/founders.htm , http://www.blessedcause.org/Quran.htm ,
- Origins of the koran :
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/001202.php, http://www.ninetyandnine.com/Archives/20020211/review.htm , http://www.prophetofdoom.net/chapter.aspx?g=401&i=41003 , http://www.islamreview.com/articles/inventionofislam.shtml ,
- Allah's pagan daughters:
http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-allahs-daughters.htm , http://notendur.centrum.is/~snorrigb/fem4.htm ,
- Meteorite worship:
http://www.meteorite.fr/en/basics/history.htm,
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Gilchrist/Vol1/7d.html ,
http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-meteorite-worship.htm ,
http://www.ccs-hk.org/DM/Islam.html, http://www.haberer-meteorite.de/english/Culture%20and%20religion.htm ,
- Animal sacrifice to Allah:
http://www.renaissance.com.pk/JanIslamiShari12y5.htm ,
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/skm60117.htm ,
- Human sacrifice to Allah:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13371, http://diodon349.com/Attacking_USA/see_islamic_terrorists_for_the_satanic_etc_they_are.htm , http://www.slate.com/id/2103261/ ,
http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/antiholo/pearl.html , http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040624-121737-2912r.htm , http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=1501 ,
http://www.bangladesh-web.com/view.php?hidDate=2004-07-14&hidType=OPT&hidRecord=0000000000000000014248 ,
4) Has no rational, philosophical nor theological basis, and the whole belief-system is contradicted by science, philosophy, commonsense, human decency and internal inconsistency.
- Flat earth:
http://trisagionseraph.tripod.com/flatearth.html ,
http://www.fixedearth.com/koran.html
- Contradictions in the koran:
http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/ , http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/islam.html , http://www.geocities.com/lone_wolf_gc/earth_shape.html , http://www.carm.org/islam/Koran_contradictions.htm ,
http://www.lwbc.co.uk/koran.htm ,
5) Cannot withstand rational criticism. Can only spread and maintain itself by ignorance, illiteracy, war, terrorism, and intimidation. Islam has bloody borders and cannot co-exist peacefully with other belief systems. Winston Churchill said that Islam in a man is as dangerous as hydrophobia (rabies) in a dog.
- Irrationalism:
http://www.mercatornet.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=371 ,
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=bc48fb82-d9f0-43d5-b28d-68a1a7e1c804 ,
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5901 ,
- Islamic intellectual achievements:
http://www.masada2000.org/nobel.html ,
http://www.meforum.org/article/306 ,
- Intimidation against criticism and apostasy:
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2218 ,
http://www.islamreview.com/articles/islamapostasy.shtml ,
- Bloody borders:
http://chromatism.net/bloodyborders/ ,
- Intrinsically violent:
http://www.israelnewsagency.com/al-quaedaterrorismus10012.html , http://www.bibletranslation.ws/islam.html ,
http://radicalacademy.com/gegeorgeirbe12b.htm ,
http://www.crosswalk.com/news/1172035.html , http://www.islamreview.com/articles/jihadholywarversesinthekoran.shtml , http://www.islamreview.com/articles/poorislamists.shtml , http://www.angelfire.com/moon/yoelnatan/koranwarpassages.htm , http://www.citizensoldier.org/winthewar.html ,
- Churchill:
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/read_churchill_islam.html ,
6) Has a superstitious dread of images of pigs, crosses, Buddhas, Saint George (and his flag) and of course Motoons.
- Buddhas, crosses and teddy bears: http://www.guardian.co.uk/saudi/story/0,11599,1109291,00.html , http://activistchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=663,
- Pigs:
http://www.derbygripe.co.uk/arbor.htm,
http://www.theage.com.au/news/World/Piggy-banks-offend-UK-Muslims/2005/10/24/1130006056771.html , http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,2763,939398,00.html , http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=32749 , http://www.masada2000.org/bacon.html , http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast/08/20/suicide.bombers/ , http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24691 ,
- Toonophobia:
http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/000783.html http://thestudyofrevenge.blogspot.com/2006/01/portrait-of-prophet-muhammad.html ,
- Saint George:
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/10/04/britain.redcross/index.html , http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/011163.php ,
7) Regards Islamic women as semihuman. Wife-beating, incest and child abuse (including mufa’khathat or 'thighing' - the ritual abuse of infants) are encouraged.
- Treatment of women:
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/women.html , http://www.islamreview.com/articles/sexinislam.htm ,
http://www.nospank.net/demause5.htm ,
- Infant abuse and ‘thighing’:
http://islamstrueface.blogspot.com/2005/07/more-on-pedopheliaand-thighing.html , http://kenlydell.typepad.com/islamic_evil/muslim_sexual_perversion/index.html , http://www.homa.org/Details.asp?View=Detail&ContentID=2137352826&TOCID=2083225445 ,
http://www.hinduunity.org/articles/islamexposed/excerptsayatollah.html ,
8) Regards all unbelievers (Kaffirs, Kuffar, Kufrs, Kafirs) as ritually unclean subhumans to be killed, subjugated, enslaved, exploited or parasitised. Kafirs are described by the Arabic word 'najis' - literally 'filth'. That's why Muslim hatred of Kafirs is intrinsic to their 'religion'. A Kafir doesn't need to DO anything to offend a Muslim, his very existence is enough of an affront.
- Najis kafirs:
http://www.al-islam.org/laws/najisthings.html ,
http://cartoonazi.blogspot.com/2006/09/disgusting-filthy-najis-things.html , http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/006589.php ,
- Treatment of kafirs:
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/kafir.html ,
- Enslavement of kaffirs:
http://answering-islam.org/Silas/slavery.htm ,
http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/7016 , http://www.islamreview.com/articles/neitherblacknorafrican.shtml ,
9) The ethical system applies only to Muslims. Allah encourages rape, pillage, extortion and enslavement of non-Muslims. Morality does not extend beyond the global gang (ummah). Muslim ethics are the ethics of the Mafia.
- Loyalty to the Ummafia
http://sixthcolumn.blogspot.com/2005/07/how-could-they-our-british-friends-ask.html , http://www.westernresistance.com/blog/archives/003123.html ,
- Massacre, rape, pillage and enslavement: http://www.hinduunity.org/articles/islamexposed/prophetterror3.html , http://www.bereanpublishers.com/Cults/Muslims/truth_about_islam_by_dave_hunt.htm ,
10) Allah's followers are motivated by hatred, greed and lust. There is no love, mercy or compassion. Allah is vindictive, unpredictable, capricious and devious - "Allah leads astray whom he pleases".
- Hate cult:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27938 ,
http://www.iranian.ws/cgi-bin/iran_news/exec/view.cgi/2/3626 , http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/003119.php ,
- Women as plunder:
http://www.warriorsfortruth.com/news-jerry-falwell-mohammed.html ,
- Barbarism:
http://www.howardbloom.net/islam.htm ,
http://www.coranix.com/beastycult.htm ,
- Allah - Father of Lies:
http://www.bethmessiah.com/david.htm ,
http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/allah_deceiver.htm ,
11) The only religion NOT founded on The Golden Rule. Morality is based on Mohammed's example. If Mohammed did it then it's OK for all Muslims. Hence the encouragement of rape, pillage, subjugation and murder of non-believers and the institutionalised pedophilia prevalent throughout Muslim society (justified by Mohammed's activities with Ayesha, his child sex-slave - see and listen to http://islamcomicbook.com/lyrics1.htm).
- Golden Rule:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/005959.php ,
http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/YaminZakariap8.htm ,
- Mohammed as the example of ‘the perfect man’: http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/News/Trifkovic04/NewsST091304.html , http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/003416.php ,
- Institutionalised pedophilia:
http://www.cathud.com/LINKS/pages_GL/Islam.htm ,
http://www.nospank.net/glazov.htm ,
http://www.blessedquietness.com/alhaj/page20.htm , http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/002006.php ,
- Jihadic rape:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1227317/posts ,
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=20646 ,
http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/12/immigrant-rape-wave-in-sweden.html ,
12) All human relations are defined by Dominance/Subjugation. Muslims have schizoid inferiority/superiority complexes. (A well-balanced Muslim is one with a chip on each shoulder). They respect strength but despise compromise as weakness. Appeasement invites more aggression. The only political system which has been strong enough to subjugate Islam is Stalinism.
- Honor/shame, dominance and subjugation:
http://shrinkwrapped.blogs.com/blog/2006/01/warning_shots.html , http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2005/08/shame-arab-psyche-and-islam.html , http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/TOXICVAL.HTM ,
- Inferiority complex:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1072-2359800,00.html ,
- Appeasement:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13284 ,
13) Polygamy ensures alpha-males get extra women, leading to a shortage of women for the betas. Beta-males must either jerk off (a sin leading to hell), or form dog-packs and rape or capture kafir women as booty in a razzia, or else self-destruct in the presence of infidels then they can screw 72 mythical virgins in Allah's bordello in the sky (see and listen to http://islamcomicbook.com/lyrics3.htm). Beta-males are often encouraged by their relatives to become suicide bombers because of the belief that such murderous 'martyrs' will be able to intercede with Allah to take 70 of their relatives to paradise with them.
- Polygamy and Jihad:
http://www.taemag.com/issues/articleID.18649/article_detail.asp ,
- Muslim rape:
http://kenlydell.typepad.com/islamic_evil/muslim_rape/index.html ,
- Paradise:
http://muhammadanism.org/Terrorism/Terrorist_Mind.htm , http://www.factsofisrael.com/blog/archives/000079.html ,
- Bomber’s relatives go to paradise:
http://www.ict.org.il/articles/articledet.cfm?articleid=128 , http://www.memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=countries&Area=palestinian&ID=IA6101 ,
14) Lying and deception of infidels (taqiyya) is encouraged. This may take many forms, including outright lies, feigned moderation, and condemnation of terrorist attacks to the Kaffir while rejoicing with fellow Muslims. All Muslims need to regard themselves as victims of some group of Kafirs so they can harbor grudges against them and against Kafirs in general. Individuals may appear law-abiding and reasonable, but they are part of a totalitarian movement, and must be considered potential killers who can flip in an instant (SJS -'Sudden Jihad Syndrome').
- Taqiyya:
http://www.freeman.org/m_online/dec97/phares.htm ,
http://www.islamreview.com/articles/nikah.shtml ,
http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/3518 , http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=178 , http://hauns.com/~DCQu4E5g/koran5.html ,
http://www.ci-ce-ct.com/Feature%20articles/02-12-2002.asp ,
- Muslim victimology
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/Islamic_victimization.htm , http://www.iranian.com/Opinion/2002/March/Victim/index.html , http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/05/europes_politics_of_victimolog.html ,
- SJS
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21630 , http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SJS , http://lostbudgie.blogspot.com/2006/03/sudden-jihad-syndrome.html , http://jihadwatch.org/archives/011114.php ,
15) Muslims are forbidden to befriend Kaffirs except for purposes of deceit or where conversion may be possible.
http://www.islamreview.com/articles/whoareinfidels.shtml , http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/25283 ,
16) The Koran is Allah's final word and cannot be changed or challenged. To do so is punishable by death. Consequently, the Death Cult can never change or be reformed. The instructions to murder and rape infidels are just as valid now as the day they were written. Since Islam cannot be modernised, the Muslims are attempting to Islamise modernity. This requires spreading Islam in the West and simultaneously preventing any criticism of the cult by intimidation and PC legislation to curtail freedom of expression.
- Koran as literal word of Allah:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4048586,00.html ,
- Koranic principles of jihad:
http://www.israelnewsagency.com/Al-Qaeda.html ,
- Intimidation and censorship: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2004/12/11/do1101.xml , http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17523 , http://www.atheists.org/Islam/violenceinbritain.html ,
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=3674 ,
17) Treaties and agreements with Kaffirs are made to be broken (Hudna). The word of a Muslim to a Kafir counts for nothing in the eyes of Allah. Allah is The Father Of Lies.
- Hudna:
http://jihadwatch.org/archives/004085.php , http://www.middleeastinfo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=8365 ,
18) The world is divided between Dar-al-Islam and Dar-al-Harb (the domain of war, the Kufr lands). Muslims living in Dar-al-Harb must work to disrupt their host nations until these can be brought into Dar-al-Islam.
- Dar al Harb and the Umma:
http://www.islamreview.com/articles/hatredinislam.shtml , http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=2601 ,
http://www.ucg.org/commentary/madridbombings.htm ,
19) Muslims have no obligation to their host nations and in fact are encouraged to parasitise them. Welfare fraud, identity theft, forgery etc are endemic in Western Muslim populations, and serious crime against Kaffirs is regarded as normal and justified. Extortion rackets against Kafirs are mandated by the Koran ('jizya' is the Arabic term for 'protection money' payable by Jews and Christians to Muslims).
- Subversion and disloyalty:
http://answering-islam.org/Terrorism/agenda.html , http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/templateC07.php?CID=13 , http://igst.blogspot.com/2006/02/muslim-leaders-and-subversion-of.html , http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/7681 , http://www.annaqed.com/under/muslims_reaction_to_suicide_bombings.html ,
- Parasitism:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2004591199,00.html ,
http://niconoclast.blogspot.com/2006/08/parasitic-islam.html ,
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1720770/postshttp://pedestrianinfidel.blogspot.com/2006/06/parasitic-fifth-column-works-jizya-and.html ,
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=18399 ,
- Jizya extortion
http://pweb.netcom.com/~us_copts/protection.html ,
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Silas/juancole.htm , http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/looting51122p3.htm , http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/008904.php , http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/23932 , http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21082 , http://kenlydell.typepad.com/islamic_evil/muslim_intolerance/index.html ,
- The Muslims as a liability and welfare dependence:
http://www.islamreview.com/articles/westsunmanageable.shtml , http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/011958.php , http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2006/10/migrants_told_t.php ,
20) The attack on the host nation isn't just against its religion and economy, but is aimed at its very cultural identity. Islam is a complete system, including a culture, which Muslims regard as superior (despite all evidence to the contrary) to other cultures. Muslims are therefore required to destroy the symbols of 'Jahiliya' (sometimes sp. Jahiliyya) - non-Muslim culture. In the East this has included destruction of Hindu temples and Christian churches and replacement with mosques, and destruction of Buddhist artwork and universities and replacement with heaps of rubble. This process of cultural replacement is now beginning in the West..
- Destruction of Hindu and Buddhist Culture:
http://hindutva.org/babrimasjid.html ,
http://www.doncroner.com/India/Nalanda/nalanda.html ,
http://www.indiastar.com/wallia15.htm , http://65.18.218.137/genocide/ , http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/LJWalker30916.htm , http://www.hvk.org/specialarts/ichr/articles/0001.html ,
- Attacks on Christian Culture: http://www.moriel.org/articles/discernment/islam/moslems_firebomb_english_church_during_islam_awareness_week.htm ,
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13340 ,
http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/10235 ,
http://www.westernresistance.com/blog/archives/003011.html ,
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,214195,00.html
Jacob, where do I begin?
I receive the CAIR emails, affectionately called, the whine-o-gram. It'd be quite the task to copy the entire email to the blog, so I take "nuggets of news" and pontificate upon those items. Most times there aren't any links to a news source because it hasn't been picked up by one. I posted in an earlier post about a "pay to play" news agency CAIR uses for "news" releases.
That said, I've never claimed to dislike muslims, I do, however, loath jihadist and muslims hell bent on changing MY country into the islamic states of America.
And that's CAIRs mission for the U.S.
Clear enough Jacob?
Also Jacob, millions of immigrants have come to these shores and live as Americans. Jews, Hindus, Italians, Irish, Germans, and the Amish have no problem being Americans without imposing THEIR beliefs upon America or insisting on special treatment because, well, they're special.
It seems the only SPECIAL ones are muslims. I'm only saying "if you're so damn special, leave and create or improve your home country."
Jacob, your inclusionist mentality is fantasy at best and deadly at worst. Yes, America welcomes all who wish to live in peace and prosper. However, America has a culture. You can't demand special rights for a small minority of the populus when it nullifies the rights of the majority. Slowly and methodically, CAIR and other islamic groups in America are on a mission to change this country and implement sharia law. The views and rights of minorities are protected in this country, but not at the expense of negating the rights of the majority.
The American government hasn't gone onto indian reservations and "stole" children and immersed them into American society. I personally believe the reservations are a terrible idea. American indians live in poverty and have chosen to separate themselves from America and our culture. Believing the only way they can remain an "American indian" is to separate themselves form their host country and live in slums and well below the poverty level. Putting nationalistic "pride" above success and prosperity.
Muslims, with CAIRs help, are trying to do the same thing.
Janice, a coupla things:
That said, I've never claimed to dislike muslims, I do, however, loath jihadist and muslims hell bent on changing MY country into the islamic states of America.
Yes, and so do I. Anybody who favours theocratic government over democracy doesn't deserve to breathe the same air as me as far as I'm concerned.
But that wasn't the point I was trying to make in the first place. I said that law abiding citizens have the right to do whatever they want. 'Law abiding' being the key word there.
Jews, Hindus, Italians, Irish, Germans, and the Amish have no problem being Americans without imposing THEIR beliefs upon America or insisting on special treatment because, well, they're special.
But let's not pretend that many Americans didn't like these Jews, Hindus, Italians et al when they first came, arguing on the same platform as you are now.
Look, I don't really see where the huge threat is. The last time an insane religious person tried to force his bizarre laws on me it wasn't a screaming jihadi -- it was a Christian.
Jihadi Tracker,
You can't demand special rights for a small minority of the populus when it nullifies the rights of the majority.
Special rights? What's 'special' about granting all people of all religions the exact same liberties? That's equality. There's nothing special about allowing law abiding citizens to retain their own culture, while at the same time integrating into the mainstream.
Slowly and methodically, CAIR and other islamic groups in America are on a mission to change this country and implement sharia law.
No.
With all due respect Jacob, I refer you to
http://www.anti-cair-net.org/
This site will give you the "skinny" as it were, on CAIR in America. The founders are in fact terrorists and support terrorism in every form.
Yes, if you look deeper into the news coming from CAIR you'll see anytime a "crime" is committed and a muslim is involved, it's a "hate" crime. "Toilet-gate" and the call for education of infidels on the proper handling of their holy book is insane. If it's not "holy" to me it shouldn't matter how I handle it and there're no "special" laws citing the proper use of the Torah, Bible ect. Why then the koran? Are muslims so special?
Of course if CAIR and other muslim groups take giant leaps, using our rights and laws, to achieve their goals of obtaining total control of America, we would fight back and expose them for the fraud they are. So by using small steps by using our very rights and laws against us to gain special rights and force Americans to submit to islam. The next thing you know, a muslim is sitting in the white house, our work week is Sunday to Thursday and I'm forced to learn arabic to read street signs. (because muslims are special)
I didn't actually say anything about CAIR, but whatever.
I personally have no problem with an Islamic pressure group expressing concern when they feel like they have been insulted. That's why you've got a Constitution and a Bill of Rights which guarantee these people these rights.
Whether they're right or wrong doesn't really matter. They still have the right to say what's on their mind (no matter how objectionable), just like you have the right to complain about their presence in your country.
Really... you're making them out to be something that they're really not.
So Muslims whinge a lot. Who cares? Christians whinge more.
Alright Jacob I'll bite, what's "whinge?" Is it a down under thing or do you mean "whine?"
Thanks for the reminder Religion Of Pieces.
Jacob,
CAIR and those they represent do not have the right "NOT" to be insulted. And wasting the government's time by calling the trashing of ink on paper a "hate crime" is not helping their cause.
If ROP's comments relate to only 5% of our Muslim immigrants, both our countries have a big problem.
Whinge: verb, to complain unnecessarily. Origin: Australian English.
JT whinges too much about Muslims
There. Good.
Malott,
CAIR and those they represent do not have the right "NOT" to be insulted.
That's not what I said. I said that they have every right to complain when they feel like they've been insulted. That is freedom of speech, and it is a two way street. I support people's right to insult Muslims, and I also support other people when they return the insult or complain.
What is so hard about this simple idea?
If ROP's comments relate to only 5% of our Muslim immigrants, both our countries have a big problem.
ROP's points are an example of mindless copy'n'paste arguments that so many of his ilk are apt to do. I can guarantee you that he, and many more of you reading this, have never bothered to speak with a Muslim at any time in your life. If 5% of all Muslims in my country are as ROP says they are, then I have nothing to say to him but: prove it. The Muslims that I speak with are generally more open minded and generous than most 'white' Australians.
Your aversion to Muslims is based on an irrational fear of the unknown. Nothing more.
Jacob,
Mark Steyn has a column that you might find interesting:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/10/23/185127.shtml?s=br
You do realize what Sharia law will mean for your lifestyle? It won't be just the Christians who will be in trouble.
But you're right. I only know a couple Muslims.
What Jacob and others like him fail to understand about "toilet-gate" is the need for sensitivity training because a book was found, by a muslim, in the toilet. Do you see the stupidity of the entire issue?
Why don't you try this experiment. If you're a Christian or Jew, go to your local library, grab a Bible or Torah off the shelf, make your way to the restroom and toss it into the urinal. After a moment or two, go to the front desk demanding they call the authorities due to the "crime" committed in the bathroom. Act so traumatized the rescue squad is needed. After all the smoke clears, see if you can demand "sensitivity" training for your entire community.
Do you think it'll fly?
Malott,
Uh, no.
JT,
I couldn't care less about the 'koran in the toilet' thing.
Jacob, if you don't care about "the koran in the toilet thing," then why are you here commenting on "the koran in the toilet thing?"
I think JT makes a great point with the experiment. The Bible and Torah are no greater or lesser books than the koran. The point here is, muslims "think" they're special and are taking advantage of American laws and rights to advance their mission. They, in fact, do have every right to be offended as we also have every right to offend them.
But, these rights also come with consequences. They're fighting so hard to eliminate our right to offend while defending their right to be special.
Jacob, if you don't care about "the koran in the toilet thing," then why are you here commenting on "the koran in the toilet thing?"
If you read my comments very carefully, you'll notice that I make very little reference to the koran in the toilet. I don't care about it. It doesn't matter. In the grand scheme of things, Muslims today have more to worry about than some silly individual who thinks that flushing a koran down the toilet equates to a valid protest. And, on the flip side, you Americans have more pressing issues than this. So I'm not here arguing for or against the special provisions for Muslims. You're probably right -- Muslims do get special treatment sometimes. Often I think that it's just a vain attempt to offset the real enmity felt by many Americans toward Arab-Americans, but that is human nature. People try to do what they think is right, and they end up making their own situation worse.
So I'm not arguing that.
I am arguing, however, that all Americans (whether they be first, second, eighth or fiftieth generation American) all have the same rights. You can cry foul when Muslims do and say stupid things (and this particular situation is a gray area), but some of you, in arguing with me, have revealed a very irrational fear of Muslims themselves, and I want to counter that with a bit of reason.
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But if I'm wasting my time (and something tells me I probably am) there are plenty of other flag waving Americans lurking around the ole internet that I can pester.
Jacob, you're sure reading me wrong. I don't fear muslims who want nothing more than to live in peace in this country. What I fear is muslim activist groups who want to interfere with my culture and change my country to mirror an islamic state. I see noting wrong with nationalism.
I agree with you when you say it's about a bigger issue. If you were aware of the court cases going on where muslims are trying to use sharia law to justify their crimes, and in some districts where muslims are a majority the judges are looking at and giving credibility to the law of the koran. Most of these cases involve the "right" to beat their wives. Sharia permits the beating of your wife. This is what we're up against.
JT,
Well, okay then. Law abiding citizens = good. Insane fundamentalist Muslims = bad. I agree with you 100%.
But I'm still a little skeptical of these court cases of which you speak. Religious law is never a valid argument in court. I'm not sure where you're getting your information from, but absolutely no court in a secular nation like the US is going to seriously consider the "my religion commands me" defence. That is just stupid.
Again Jacob, we find ourselves in agreement. Religious law shouldn't trump secular laws. The cases I cite aren't asking for a trump, they're using it as a defense. Now you know, once a defense is accepted and the case is closed, it becomes case law by which other lawyers use to defend their clients. It takes that one judge to look at the trend and make laws from the bench.
Clear?
Yes, I am familiar with the concept of case law. The legislature creates laws and the courts interpret them. Easy enough for a grade 12 Legal Studies student like myself.
But my original point still stands: no court is ever going to create laws with respect to religion. That would be in violation of the First Amendment in the US, and in Australia it would be in violation of S. 116 of the Constitution.
So even if a judge attempted to legislate for Sharia law specifically, for whatever reason (perhaps the judge had a severe concussion), that ruling would be swiftly overturned and the judge would be pelted with criticism (and rocks).
Jacob,
But my original point still stands: no court is ever going to create laws with respect to religion. That would be in violation of the First Amendment in the US
Ah, but you're living in a dream world now. In the US, courts are creating laws by reading into the penumbra of the Constitution the emanations of laws that have been heretofore hidden from view but there nonetheless.
Many of our courts have usurped the legislative role, and although the Supreme Court strikes down many of these rulings, they let other cases stand. Don't dismiss this concern so lightly.
Such as?
Oh let's see, shall we, sure.
The "right" to abortion. Once hidden from America, the Supreme court found this right. Massachusetts state courts found the right for same sex couples to marry. Again, a right previously hidden from Americans, uncovered by the courts.
Yawn. I've heard all that before.
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